Comments on: Air passenger profiling not the solution for airport security http://www.travel-rants.com/2010/01/06/air-passenger-profiling-airport-security/ Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:52:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jimmie http://www.travel-rants.com/2010/01/06/air-passenger-profiling-airport-security/#comment-159526 Jimmie Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:59:34 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=5664#comment-159526 I do not agree with the writer of this article. Give a pat down search anythime - but a strip search of any kind - forget it. It is degrading, humiliating and abusive. It is an abuse of the individual - it is an abuse of power and amounts to nothing more than state sponsored abuse. It is also indiscriminate. The use of profiling is essential and the use of full body scanning should ONLY be used for those who after profiling are deemed to pose a real or potential risk to travellers. I do not agree with the writer of this article. Give a pat down search anythime – but a strip search of any kind – forget it. It is degrading, humiliating and abusive. It is an abuse of the individual – it is an abuse of power and amounts to nothing more than state sponsored abuse. It is also indiscriminate.
The use of profiling is essential and the use of full body scanning should ONLY be used for those who after profiling are deemed to pose a real or potential risk to travellers.

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]]> By: Pam http://www.travel-rants.com/2010/01/06/air-passenger-profiling-airport-security/#comment-159288 Pam Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:02:44 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=5664#comment-159288 Events: 1972 Munich Olympics, In 1979 the US embassy in Iran, 1988 PanAm flight 103 bombed, 1993 World Trade Center, 911, 2002 Daniel Peal killed...and more! By whom: young male muslin extremists. No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? Fort Hood Texas......another Muslim 39 years old killed 13 people and wounded 30 some odd others... Does this fit the profile! Events:
1972 Munich Olympics, In 1979 the US embassy in Iran, 1988 PanAm flight 103 bombed,
1993 World Trade Center, 911, 2002 Daniel Peal killed…and more!
By whom:
young male muslin extremists.
No, I really don’t see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?
Fort Hood Texas……another Muslim 39 years old killed 13 people and wounded 30 some odd others… Does this fit the profile!

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]]> By: Jimmie http://www.travel-rants.com/2010/01/06/air-passenger-profiling-airport-security/#comment-159171 Jimmie Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:50:09 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=5664#comment-159171 I personally am against thewidescale and indiscriminate use of full body scanning. I have a problem with it on personal grounds. Apart from that I believe there are massive privacy issues involved. I also beleive that we heighten the security argument in what can only be described as a scaremngering fashion and forget the basis of a democracy and justice system which states innocent until proven guilty. when I hear and read the stories about the incident that has brought about this debate - the ordinary travelling public is asked to suffer such things because of the failure of the security system already in place. The wholesale use of this technology seems to be gulity till proven innocent. I also beleive there can be health issues which have not been fully looked into. Profiling, if done properly and with sharing of all intelligence, is not discriminatory. It targets those who show high indcators of being suspicious. That does not mean all Muslims and all foreigners etc. With the mandatory introduction of these scanners I will be travelling far less and only when I have to. I am sure there are many more like me. I personally am against thewidescale and indiscriminate use of full body scanning. I have a problem with it on personal grounds. Apart from that I believe there are massive privacy issues involved. I also beleive that we heighten the security argument in what can only be described as a scaremngering fashion and forget the basis of a democracy and justice system which states innocent until proven guilty.
when I hear and read the stories about the incident that has brought about this debate – the ordinary travelling public is asked to suffer such things because of the failure of the security system already in place.
The wholesale use of this technology seems to be gulity till proven innocent.
I also beleive there can be health issues which have not been fully looked into.
Profiling, if done properly and with sharing of all intelligence, is not discriminatory. It targets those who show high indcators of being suspicious. That does not mean all Muslims and all foreigners etc.
With the mandatory introduction of these scanners I will be travelling far less and only when I have to. I am sure there are many more like me.

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]]> By: TGT http://www.travel-rants.com/2010/01/06/air-passenger-profiling-airport-security/#comment-159029 TGT Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:44:18 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=5664#comment-159029 The full body scans do not detect explosives. They also cannot see under folds of skin or in orifices. They also rely on vigilant people identifying items of interest from the scanners. How many times have we carried disallowed items in our carry ons and they haven't been detected? My personal record is 7 amenity kits each with gels in my carry on being taken through about a dozen security check points. I'm less worried about celebrities than about pedophiles (and if children are exempt from screening that in itself is a major security flaw). The full body scans do not detect explosives.

They also cannot see under folds of skin or in orifices.

They also rely on vigilant people identifying items of interest from the scanners. How many times have we carried disallowed items in our carry ons and they haven’t been detected? My personal record is 7 amenity kits each with gels in my carry on being taken through about a dozen security check points.

I’m less worried about celebrities than about pedophiles (and if children are exempt from screening that in itself is a major security flaw).

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]]> By: Caitlin http://www.travel-rants.com/2010/01/06/air-passenger-profiling-airport-security/#comment-158996 Caitlin Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:31:44 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=5664#comment-158996 @TGT I agree. It was quite annoying because the flights were LA-Houstoun-Managua then Managua-Houston-LA, which meant I had to go through extra security four times - twice on the way to Nicaragua and twice on the way back. I nearly missed the connection in Houston on the way back as a result and had to catch a ride on the baggage train to get to the other side of the terminal. I agree with you about the full body scanners being intrusive, but I understand that it would have caught the Dec 25 bomber. A pat-down would have worked as well. Didn't he have something attached to his leg? Another potential concern for the full body scanners, would be a trade in the images of celebrities who pass through the system. @TGT I agree. It was quite annoying because the flights were LA-Houstoun-Managua then Managua-Houston-LA, which meant I had to go through extra security four times – twice on the way to Nicaragua and twice on the way back. I nearly missed the connection in Houston on the way back as a result and had to catch a ride on the baggage train to get to the other side of the terminal.

I agree with you about the full body scanners being intrusive, but I understand that it would have caught the Dec 25 bomber. A pat-down would have worked as well. Didn’t he have something attached to his leg?

Another potential concern for the full body scanners, would be a trade in the images of celebrities who pass through the system.

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