Comments on: Will US no-fly list cause delays at airport check-in desks http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/08/31/no-fly-cause-delays-airport-check-in/ - Discussions on travel consumer issues Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:21:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Murray Harrold http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/08/31/no-fly-cause-delays-airport-check-in/#comment-151661 Murray Harrold Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:26:14 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=4818#comment-151661 Any terrorist worth his salt, (eh?) is not going to book using BinLaden/ Osama Mr as the booking name. I mean, what happens if an attack were to be occasioned by one John Smith? One has to feel a bit for our colonial cousins. They have never had attacks on their homeland (unlike say, Europe - where, historically speaking, it is almost considered an occupational hazard). The US is not coping with it very well. Israel has had an issue with terrorists for a long while and have an excellent security system - you could not get a pin onboard an Israeli jet (or, perhaps, into Israel!) without someone knowing about it - yet, apart from the 3 hour check-in, Israelis manage to effect their system without undue stress or seeming to invade the civil liberties of their visitors (I am talking overseas, holiday or business type visitors, here, not wanting to get drawn into localised issues) Perhaps the US could learn a few lessons, here. Any terrorist worth his salt, (eh?) is not going to book using BinLaden/ Osama Mr as the booking name. I mean, what happens if an attack were to be occasioned by one John Smith?

One has to feel a bit for our colonial cousins. They have never had attacks on their homeland (unlike say, Europe – where, historically speaking, it is almost considered an occupational hazard). The US is not coping with it very well.

Israel has had an issue with terrorists for a long while and have an excellent security system – you could not get a pin onboard an Israeli jet (or, perhaps, into Israel!) without someone knowing about it – yet, apart from the 3 hour check-in, Israelis manage to effect their system without undue stress or seeming to invade the civil liberties of their visitors (I am talking overseas, holiday or business type visitors, here, not wanting to get drawn into localised issues) Perhaps the US could learn a few lessons, here.

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]]> By: Anil http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/08/31/no-fly-cause-delays-airport-check-in/#comment-151645 Anil Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:07:11 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=4818#comment-151645 There are many things wrong with the no-fly lists - people who are so dangerous they're not allowed on airplanes but can't be formally charged with anything. There are many things wrong with the no-fly lists – people who are so dangerous they’re not allowed on airplanes but can’t be formally charged with anything.

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]]> By: TGT http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/08/31/no-fly-cause-delays-airport-check-in/#comment-151568 TGT Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:32:24 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=4818#comment-151568 Let me start by saying I agree the no-fly list is a complete waste of time, I agree US is going too far with civil liberties, and I agree there is no assurance all this personal data will be secure. One of the problems with the existing process (no-fly lists already exist - the change is that DHS takes over implementing it whereas currently they delegate that responsibility to the airlines), is the vast number of false matches. The current process impacts millions of travelers and would-be travelers in USA with little or no recourse (unless you're Ted Kennedy). The new process should, in theory, be better than this. However, it is in my view a poor partial solution. Far better to scrap the whole thing and concentrate on real security. Here is a <a href="http://theglobaltraveller.blogspot.com/2008/07/tsa-watchlist-false-security.html" rel="nofollow">link to post on watchlist being false security</a> which I did last year. I think it is still very much relevant. Let me start by saying I agree the no-fly list is a complete waste of time, I agree US is going too far with civil liberties, and I agree there is no assurance all this personal data will be secure.

One of the problems with the existing process (no-fly lists already exist – the change is that DHS takes over implementing it whereas currently they delegate that responsibility to the airlines), is the vast number of false matches. The current process impacts millions of travelers and would-be travelers in USA with little or no recourse (unless you’re Ted Kennedy). The new process should, in theory, be better than this.

However, it is in my view a poor partial solution. Far better to scrap the whole thing and concentrate on real security. Here is a link to post on watchlist being false security which I did last year. I think it is still very much relevant.

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