Comments on: Travel database to track British travellers movements http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/02/09/travel-database-to-track-british-travellers-movements/ Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:52:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Darren Cronian http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/02/09/travel-database-to-track-british-travellers-movements/#comment-137836 Darren Cronian Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:32:12 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=3156#comment-137836 @ Alistair I probably was laid back when writing the blog post. Good rant though and some good points raised. I think the data protection changes are good for things like social services and education where more information needs to be spread around about adults and children, but for travel, it seems a little extreme. @ Mark You only have to look at the National Health Service to see how much of a mess IT companies have had with implementing new processes and systems like this travel database would be. I hold no confidence and also cannot see it taking off, which is why I was laid back when writing the post. @ Alistair

I probably was laid back when writing the blog post. Good rant though and some good points raised. I think the data protection changes are good for things like social services and education where more information needs to be spread around about adults and children, but for travel, it seems a little extreme.

@ Mark

You only have to look at the National Health Service to see how much of a mess IT companies have had with implementing new processes and systems like this travel database would be.

I hold no confidence and also cannot see it taking off, which is why I was laid back when writing the post.

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]]> By: Mark H http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/02/09/travel-database-to-track-british-travellers-movements/#comment-137712 Mark H Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:00:47 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=3156#comment-137712 Sometimes I think these ideas are sponsored by IT companies - more hardware, more software, more security, more backups and more programming jobs to make all this happen. And so much data in so many different places, that it is impractical to search anyway. Sometimes I think these ideas are sponsored by IT companies – more hardware, more software, more security, more backups and more programming jobs to make all this happen. And so much data in so many different places, that it is impractical to search anyway.

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]]> By: Alastair McKenzie http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/02/09/travel-database-to-track-british-travellers-movements/#comment-137437 Alastair McKenzie Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:43:47 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=3156#comment-137437 You seem very laid back about it! It's an Orwellian nightmare. New Stasi are putting together all the pieces of a giant relational database (National Identity Register) on its citizens and their activities. Soon the totalitarian state will connect up everything known about you from your biometric ID, to your financial history, to your medical history, your children's DNA (new births), your domestic travel (by car, by oyster card, etc), and in this case your international travel. (And hands up anyone who thinks that we won't be voting electronically soon!). Their latest assault on our freedom is hidden away in the Coroners & Justice Bill (Part 8, Clause 521). They want to amend the Data Protection Act to allow ministers to make 'Information Sharing Orders', enabling data gathered for one purpose to be shared with any official body and used for another purpose. In short, everything they know will soon be shareable with any town hall petty official they deem fit. And how long will it then be before your bank details are left on the train, your children's DNA records are sold to insurance companies, and your international flight details wind up in the marketing dept at British Airways? LOL! You wanted a rant!!! Well there you go. Best Alastair You seem very laid back about it!

It’s an Orwellian nightmare. New Stasi are putting together all the pieces of a giant relational database (National Identity Register) on its citizens and their activities.

Soon the totalitarian state will connect up everything known about you from your biometric ID, to your financial history, to your medical history, your children’s DNA (new births), your domestic travel (by car, by oyster card, etc), and in this case your international travel. (And hands up anyone who thinks that we won’t be voting electronically soon!).

Their latest assault on our freedom is hidden away in the Coroners & Justice Bill (Part 8, Clause 521). They want to amend the Data Protection Act to allow ministers to make ‘Information Sharing Orders’, enabling data gathered for one purpose to be shared with any official body and used for another purpose.

In short, everything they know will soon be shareable with any town hall petty official they deem fit. And how long will it then be before your bank details are left on the train, your children’s DNA records are sold to insurance companies, and your international flight details wind up in the marketing dept at British Airways?

LOL! You wanted a rant!!! Well there you go.
Best

Alastair

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]]> By: Craig McGinty http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/02/09/travel-database-to-track-british-travellers-movements/#comment-137280 Craig McGinty Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:24:38 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=3156#comment-137280 Hi Darren, It's definitely not 'watch this space' it is already here as part of the e-Borders scheme: http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/faqs/controlling-our-borders/ And the database looks set to be homed in Manchester: http://bit.ly/3LHo And as for 'you are OK if you've nothing to hide' who sets the boundaries on what is or is not acceptable? If anything such a database could see be more people worried about travel, remember passenger numbers to the US have dropped since onerous border controls were brought it, although they are hoping the Obama effect will turn things around: http://bit.ly/9Fwq All the best, Craig Hi Darren,

It’s definitely not ‘watch this space’ it is already here as part of the e-Borders scheme:

http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/faqs/controlling-our-borders/

And the database looks set to be homed in Manchester:

http://bit.ly/3LHo

And as for ‘you are OK if you’ve nothing to hide’ who sets the boundaries on what is or is not acceptable?

If anything such a database could see be more people worried about travel, remember passenger numbers to the US have dropped since onerous border controls were brought it, although they are hoping the Obama effect will turn things around:

http://bit.ly/9Fwq

All the best,
Craig

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]]> By: Darren Cronian http://www.travel-rants.com/2009/02/09/travel-database-to-track-british-travellers-movements/#comment-137270 Darren Cronian Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:24:37 +0000 http://www.travel-rants.com/?p=3156#comment-137270 @ Simon I agree on certain flight routes I am sure that they hold data on passengers. The freedom of information act will mean we can request information on our travel records if this go ahead but I don't think they can get away with blocking out information. I'm not sure if this is just the media spinning stories or plans are afoot, guess it's watch this space. @ Simon

I agree on certain flight routes I am sure that they hold data on passengers. The freedom of information act will mean we can request information on our travel records if this go ahead but I don’t think they can get away with blocking out information.

I’m not sure if this is just the media spinning stories or plans are afoot, guess it’s watch this space.

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